Zone Mapper problem


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Heian
Zone Mapper problem

Hi,

I have encountered a zone mapper problem. I have uninstalled LightZone and reinstalled but the problem remains. As you can see the zones do not display and th mapper is black. The tool appears to be working but you can't see any of the zones. I kept preferences intact when I uninstalled the program.

 

MightyMidtone
Zone Mapper Problem

Hi,

 

I just updated to the latest Release Candidate version for 64-bit Windows, and do not have any issues with the latest ZoneMapper tool.

Heian
Now worse

So, I replaced the latest beta version by the last good release and cleared out the cache and preferences. After installing LightZone I can only edit Raw images. If I try to edit any Lzn files I get this message:

 

 

This has effectively stopped me using LightZone! The original problem of a blacked out zone mapper remains!

SFA
If you replaces the 4.1_rc

If you replaces the 4.1_rc installation with the now very old 4.0 release files and then attempted to use some  open Lzn edit files related to RAW files I would guess you might discover some anomalies, especially if the RAW fikles are from a camera introduced in recent times.

 

Can you provide some more information about the files (Camera , etc.) and your computer. There may be something of a mismatc going on.

 

I would certainly go back to the new 4.1 installation and then investigate the apparent problem with the Mapper.

 

HTH.

 

 

Grant

 

 

Heian
Hi Grant,

Hi Grant,

I am going back to the new 4.1 installation as you suggest. The camera is a Pentax k-r. The computer is a NEC using an Intel i7-4700MQ CPU and running Windows 8.1.

Let me know if you need any other info.

The bad message has gone and LZN files are loading again. The zone display problem also extends to the Histogram and Sampler.

 

Graham

SFA
Graham,

Graham,

 

I found a sample RAW file on line and it behaves normally on my system.

 

One odd thing about your screen shot is that the Zone Mapper is set to RGB rather than Luminosity. Plus it's called Zone Mapper 2.

 

Now this can happen as an autoname when you add a Mapper (although not in RGB mode) but can also happen if you apply an alternative RAW Tone Curve tool from, say, Camera Default or Custom Styles should you have any. It would be unusual, frankly, since mostly Zone Mappers would be used in their default Luminosity mode but RAW Tone mappers would be RGB mode and often look "flattened" like your screen grab.

 

If you are opening the *_lzn.jpg file to get the strange result go back to the original .pef file (I assume you are processing a RAW file) and open it afresh to see what happens. (If that is what you are doing anyway ignore that suggestion.)

 

The only other idea I have (assuming that you entire screen has not slipped into some strange display mode for all applications) is that the default RAW Tone Map for the camera has somehow been overwritten or replaced as the default by something else. If so opening the .PEF file might offer some evidence about that.

 

See what results you get from those ideas and we can follow up from there.

 

 

Grant

 

 

Heian
Grant,

Grant,

I use *.dng raw files. I normally use the zone mapper in Luminosity mode. I switched to RGB mode to see if the problem showed up there as well. That's when I took the screenshot. I think the problem might well be a corrupt RAW tone map.

One thing I noticed is that all the zones seem to be compressed into the top 4 zones (pure white down 2 stops). Sliding down the scale nothing registers below that on the zones preview though the mapper itself works and I can edit the image.

How can I replace the Pentax k-r profile?

Graham

Heian
Today I tried using a

Today I tried using a different camera and just a jpeg file. The zone mapper displayed the same problem as with my Pentax RAW files. So I guess it is more than a profile problem.

SFA
My first thought was that may

My first thought was that you may have a monitor settings problem but I would have thought that would be evident in other applications as well.

 

I can't think of a setting in LZ that would produce such a result - although that does not mean there is nothing.

 

There are some great test files here for both B&W and colour assessment.

 

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/test_images.html

 

It would be interesting to know what they give you when loaded through a regular viewer program as well as when opened in LZ.

Heian
Northern Lights monochrome test print

Here is the Northern Lights monochrome test print. Just loaded into Light Zone and clicked on the zone mapper.

 

 

Graham

Heian
Gimp and Picture Windows Pro 6 + Microsoft Viewer

None of the above programs have any problem viewing or editing. In particular Picture Windows pro is happy to process the RAW files.

 

Graham

SFA
Hi Graham,

Hi Graham,

 

Strange. I've never seen anything like that.

 

Obviously there is a setting somewhere that is affecting how LZ displays but what and where I have no idea.

 

Have a look at the Lightzone.log file to discover what LZ thinks is being initialised and opened on startup. Best done after starting a  fresh LZ session so that the information is still reasonably concise.

 

 

Grant

 

 

Heian
Hi Grant,

Hi Grant,

 

The log file is very short.

JavaAppLauncher checkWindowsVersion()
    dwMajorVersion=6
    dwMinorVersion=2
    wServicePackMajor=0
  = Windows Vista
Picked up JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS: -Duser.language=en

I don't understand the Windows Vista line since I am running Windows 8.1 64 bit version.

Graham

SFA
I would expect to see much

I would expect to see much more than that. Is that the Lightzone.log file in the User account? (C:\Users\<Username>\Documents\LightZone) or similar.

 

I think I would try a Java re-install/update.

 

My guess is that Java will not be cleaned out and re-installed since these days it is used as a common resource (afaik) rather than a dedicated specific LightZone installed revision at a known level as it used to be some years ago.

 

If you don't have control of the full installation strange things can happen. On the other hand if you don't follow the provider's updates in a timely fashion (difficult sometimes in the "cloased world" development model) you can end up with unhelpful constraints and other problems.

 

So, a Java update recommended to see what happens.

 

 

HTH.

 

 

Grant

 

 

Heian
Java

Sorry I don't know Java. The problem seems to be limited to a problem of display because actual editing is unaffected maybe the problem is a corrupt pointer or an infinite loop that is preventing the display to get updated.

Are there any hidden files left behind after LightZone is uninstalled? I ask because the problem has persisted across an uninstall and reinstall. It suggests some setting is corrupted somewhere.

 

Graham

Heian
Message

Checking forum messages I came across this from Serge Schmitt:

I've gone back to 4.0, but LZ is still unable to open these processed files because
"Unrecognized GenericOperationType "RAW Adjustments V2".
Some templates made under beta 7 have become unusuable for the same reason.

So what... I can edit them and recreate them without the raw settings if necessary.
Edit: one have just to rename:
OperationType="RAW Adjustments V2"
in
OperationType="RAW Adjustments"
and the template works!

 

which is the same message I was getting and has now gone. What conditions might call up this error message? Can I check the current wording and edit it if necessary?

 

Graham

SFA
I don't think this is

I don't think this is relevant to your problem - at least not in terms of hacking the Operation Type text ...

 

 

Grant

 

 

Heian
Java

I took off all versions of Java and installed the latest version. Ran LightZone and no change unfortunately! Now completely stumped! Must be something in the LIghtZone code.

 

Graham

Heian
Log

This is the log after taking off Java and installing the latest version:

 

JavaAppLauncher checkWindowsVersion()
    dwMajorVersion=6
    dwMinorVersion=2
    wServicePackMajor=0
  = Windows Vista
This is LightZone 4.1.0~rc1 (d40255a)
Running Java version 1.7.0_72
Verifying Libraries
Initializing Engine Utilities
Max Memory: 2268594176
Total Memory: 127926272
Running on 8 processors
Allocating 0MB for the image cache.
found sRGB IEC61966-2.1
Display profile CalibratedMonitorProfile
Display profile CalibratedMonitorProfile
Loading Classes
Scanning Color Profiles
Restoring Preferences
Starting Logging
Scanning Saved Documents
Opening...
Light Crafts JAI Library - 02/05/07
EventThread blocked for 2.001 seconds
metadata cache error: C:\Users\david\AppData\Roaming\LightZone\Caches\96af2296\図1.jpg_1407758529760.lzc
file time cache error: C:\Users\david\AppData\Roaming\LightZone\Caches\96af2296\図1.jpg_cache_time.lzc
file time cache error: C:\Users\david\AppData\Roaming\LightZone\Caches\96af2296\図1.jpg_xmp_file.lzc
XMP file time cache error: C:\Users\david\AppData\Roaming\LightZone\Caches\96af2296\図1_jpg.xmp_cache_time.lzc
C:\Users\david\Pictures\図1.jpg caching image java.io.IOException: C:\Users\david\AppData\Roaming\LightZone\Caches\96af2296\図1.jpg_thumbnail_image_320.lzc
Opening C:\Users\david\Pictures\図1.jpg
Disposing Engine
Disposing Engine
Picked up JAVA_TOOL_OPTIONS: -Duser.language=en

Jacal
Internal Java

Windows version of LightZone uses it's own version of Java, not the system one.

 

RAW Adjustments V2 were introduced with version beta 8 and are not backward compatible, so lzn files, made with ver. 8 or later, can not be (re)edited with earlier versions.

 

Greetings!

 

MArt

 

Heian
Editing

Thanks MArt,

 

The problem isn't editing. I can edit all my files ok. It's the display of the zone mapper which is the problem. It is just blacked out and no zones below white + 4 zones registers any tones at all.This is the same with every image I've tried. Slide the cursor down the zone mapper and zones show for the first 4 zones; after that nothing but setting control points and adjusting the zones results in the image being edited responding as expected.

 

It's strange!

 

Graham

Jacal
Graham,

Graham,

 

I just wanted to suggest that there is no point in installing/uninstalling Java (on Windows). LightZone should work without Java on the system.

And the RAW Adjustments V2 message is not a bug, just an incompatibility issue with workarounds available.

 

I have nothing clever to say about your actual problem though. For now it looks only you have this. In your log there are some unknown (for me) characters, like C:\Users\david\Pictures\図1.jpg. What is this?

 

Cheers,

 

Mart

 

Heian
Strange Character

Hi Mart,

The strange character is there because I live in Japan and have a Japanese operating system The character means diagram or picture. I doubt it has any significance.

 

As i said I am not a Java programmer. My own poisons being Smalltalk and Forth/Factor. Anyway it did no harm to get the latest Java version.

 

Graham

SFA
Mart,

Mart,

 

True about Java although looking back through the betas I see some variations in where stuff ended up.

 

The suggestion to re-install was more to see if some sort of internal java related parameter might get reset. I suspect that repeating the LZ install will see that the required Java version is in place and skip that step.

 

There does seem to be a difference in the log file compared to the previous contents... though what that tells us I don't know

Graham,

It looks like something to do with screen handling is working in a very compressed range.Is there a screen calbration floating around that is decidedly unusual?

 

 

Grant

 

 

ktgw0316
Display profile?

Graham さん,

 

Is the following topic related to your problem?

http://lightzoneproject.org/lorum/my-zonemapperhistogram-not-showing-ful...

 

You can use Control Panel -> Display -> Change Display Settings -> Advanced Settings -> Color Management to change display profiles on Windows 8.1.

 

Masahiro

Heian
Thanks

Masahiro さん

ありがとうございました、I checked the profile and changed it to default on sRGB and the zone mapper is now displaying correctly in LightZone. Perhaps worth some code to check which profile is being used and correct for LightZone if it is possible from Java.

Thanks to everybody else who helped with their advice.

 

Graham

SFA
Well remembered Masahiro!

Well remembered Masahiro!

 

I had forgotten all about that one - as is embarrassingly evident from previous posts.

 

 

Grant

 

 

dippe
Same problem on Mac 10.10.3 & LightZone 4.1.0 (d15e8b3)

My custom profile made with colormunki introduces the same problem as mentioned here.

Solution.

Before starting LZ go to menu item (Apple) System Prefs - Displays - tab Color - Change to Apple RGB - keep Displays open.

Start LZ.

Go back to Displays and change to your custom profile. Close Displays (System Prefs).

Unfortunately this has be done every time I start LZ.

Gunther